Here’s our podcast on the topic
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It’s only day 2 of the NC State basketball “coaching search even though we still have a coach through the end of the season” and I’m already at wits end. I’m sure I’m not the only one either. It’s just that time of year again when the national media tells the world how crazy we are to want to be better than the status quo. It’s exhausting. It’s also a lazy narrative that guys like Gary Parish, Jeff Goodman, et al will beat down our throats no matter what but I’ll get back to them. It was Jay Bilas who I didn’t expect to come at us like he did this morning.
The Indiana University podcast gets its.
But back to Bilas….here’s one of his tweets at us.
Also a fact, in the 20 years prior to Gottfried's arrival at NC State, the 'Pack went to 5 NCAA Tournaments, winning 5 games, 1 Sweet 16.
— Jay Bilas (@JayBilas) February 17, 2017
Well, all those things are true but as news goes these days you can consider them ‘alternative facts.’ Mark Gottfried was not fired for his past performance, he was fired for the direction the program was headed. For those that struggle to understand this, we put a little chart together. This is Mark Gottfried’s ACC win percentage (including current year 3-11).
I’m not sure I need to put anymore numbers together but I will to drive this point home.
Where was NC State basketball going to go after this season if they kept Gottfried? That's the reason he has no job, not his track record.
— Austin Johnson (@austin_johnson) February 17, 2017
Time to play…NC STATE NATIONAL MEDIA TAKE BINGO!!! pic.twitter.com/S8ZDAwJWkI
— Joe Ovies (@joeovies) February 17, 2017
The Mark Gottfried made 5 NCAA Tournaments Narrative
Here’s another one the national media loves and Bilas fell in line with this morning…
Also a fact, during Gottfried's tenure, Duke and UNC: 5 NCAA bids. NC State, UVa, UofL and Syracuse: 4 NCAA bids. Rest of ACC: 3 or fewer.
— Jay Bilas (@JayBilas) February 17, 2017
We’ve said it about 100 times on the podcast. It’s all about what you use to define your metric for success. In life and in business, you wouldn’t go through your day-to-day routine if you didn’t have a metric for success. Whether it be more sales or in the media’s case, more clicks, you have define your target and how you measure success.
For a program that has two national titles, multiple-ACC Championships, NCAA tournaments appearances is not the metric that defines success for the fan base. We are steeped with ACC history and folks on Tobacco road, sans Roy, hold the ACC Tournament and ACC Championships in the highest regard. Folks on the outside don’t get that. We, Dustin and I, believe that metric for success is competing in the ACC. That doesn’t mean that you should be winning the ACC every year, no one has that expectation despite what the fake news would lead you to believe. Competing means fighting to be in the top-5 of the ACC on a regular basis. If you’re doing that then you’re doing enough to be a top 25 program and every once in a while the stars will align and you’ll be fighting for the ACC Championship. **Side note, I wish someone with access would ask Debbie Yow what her metric for success is for basketball.**
Gary Parish’s article (which we will not link to because of the excessive ads and autoplay videos) used, Jim Larranaga as a comparison for Mark Gottfried as they were hired at similar time.
Mark Gottfried and Jim Larranaga got hired 17 days apart at NC State and Miami back in 2011. When this season is over, Gottfried will have made four NCAA Tournaments and two Sweet 16s. And he got fired two days after Valentine’s Day. Meantime, even if Larranaga makes the NCAA Tournament this season, his first six years at Miami will amount to three NCAA Tournament appearances and, more than likely, two Sweet 16s. And Larranaga has a contract through 2022 that nobody has even thought of buying out. He couldn’t be more comfortable in Coral Gables.
Two ACC jobs.
So what is wrong with this statement? In theory, nothing as it makes sense but Gary fails to mention that Larranaga has won an ACC Title, their first in school history, of course he’s safe from persecution. In addition, one of those two men did not go 5-13 last year with a similar result on the horizon this year. It is short sighted and lazy.
he compared to Larranaga. That's not apples to apples. If he had the same talent and performed as poorly, he'd be gone too
— Andrew Siler (@lil_siler012) February 17, 2017
NC State Can’t Compete with its Neighbors
More from ESPN – ‘You’re not going to compete with the likes of Duke and UNC talent-wise’
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Ahh this is the other one that gets thrown anytime basketball gets mentioned. Alec Lower at BackingthePack said this
Over the last five years State’s recruiting classes have had an average finish (according to 247sports.com) of 20.8. This is actually higher than UNC’s average finish of 22.8 and reasonably close to Duke’s 9.8 over the same time period. Gottfried has proven talent acquisition is a total non-issue in Raleigh
For those of you who need pretty visuals…..
As you can see, Gottman could recruit, on par with the top programs in the area and even a bit better than UNC over the same period….
The problem then appears with the output from those recruiting classes. An average of 7.6 wins why the Heels and Devils were 12 and 12.4 respectively.
If you think State fan wanting consistency is asking for too much b/c of Sweet 16s, then you're just set on thinking State fan is crazy.
— Lauren Brownlow (@lebrownlow) February 17, 2017
And I’ll leave you with this one from @JamesCurle
My standing response to most columns from national media in regards to our coaching search: pic.twitter.com/JkxNXtIkCc
— James Curle (@JamesCurle) February 17, 2017